He has consulted the Mayan Calander and shamens. Let's just hope that the supposed Galactic Rubber Band is not slingshotting our whole solar system right into the Black Hole! ", And if you want to read Dr. Dmitriev research translated, please read it here:  http://aetherforce.com/planetophysical-state-of-the-earth-and-life-by-dr-alexey-n-dmitriev/. What can we do to achieve some concensus? mkuske, please do not refresh the page after submitting a comment. Models are not irrefutable science. Thanks for your understanding and compliance in this matter. Uranus has an 84-year orbit and 98° axial tilt, so its seasons are extreme. Keep that oven on for 45 minutes though, with the meat continuing to absorb more and more heat and what happens? The temperature of the brisket will have continued to rise! But it’s by far got the best. Compensating for human error and good and bad "guesses". We are constantly moving into areas of space we have never inhabited before. Other parts of the article that Jacksan did not feel like quoting: "“If you took a handful of the air we breathe on Earth and stretched it out to the nearest star, it would have the same density as this cloud,” says Priscilla Frisch of the University of Chicago. A body of knowledge with which you have confessed lack of familiarity. "Climate Warming," now re-fashioned into, "Climate Change," seems to be very little based on science and much more related to your political philosophy nowdays. There are therefore extreme temperature contrasts between day and night, or sun and shade. Instead the energy imbalance has continued to increase, and the rate of temperature increase has not slowed. The Earth's climate seems to be changing much more quickly than it used to do. The Sun has had a solar wind since its inception, and the Earth a magnetic field as far back as paleomagnatism can be discerned (at least 500 million years, and probably at least 4 billion years). For example, take the amount of energy from a star that would be required to heat up a giant gas planet, orbting far from the star, in a way that can be noticed from another planet closer to the star. With a lot more satellite use since the height of the previous solar cycle, NASA was warning of potential problems from the coming cycle. The Venusian atmosphere is mainly made up of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. One cosmic year ago the Earth was just recovering from the worst mass-extinction ever, the end-Permian 252 million years ago. On Earth, carbon dioxide makes up only a tiny fraction of the atmosphere. MagicWizard, why would forces that we can not detect have more of an effect than the forces that we can detect. That's worth somewhere between a rabitt's fart and a mouse turd on the scale of reality based understanding. Skeptics on Earth argue that the rash of 1 in 1000 years weather events we saw on a regular basis over the past few years are not due to a warming climate. Pluto’s seasons are the least understood of all: its existence has only been known for a third of its 248 -year orbit, and it has never been visited by a space probe. Last updated on 15 September 2010 by gpwayne. That makes the rate of temperature increase slow down. ; "In fact, most scientists had either minimized the possible significance of the interstellar energy cloud or dismissed the whole notion of its existence altogether. Earth isn’t the only planet grappling with climate change, although this other orb doesn’t have much in the way of fossil fuel emissions or a 97 percent … Mars does have some atmospheric carbon dioxide, but almost no atmosphere! Because it comes in handy to defend a pet theory? Please take the time to review the policy and ensure future comments are in full compliance with it. It seems scientists have noticed recently that quite a few planets in our solar system seem to be heating up a bit, including Pluto. That Jupiter lost an entire band - and if we are not talking climate - not just on small scales but ones that have lasted just how many years? That doesn't mean it met its equilirial temperature for that heightened state of solar activity. Most worrisome is what will happen to the permafrost’s huge store of long-frozen carbon that One thing I have not heard at all in the climate debate is that the Earth and entire Solar System are not only orbiting the Sun, but also, along with the Sun, are moving through Space orbiting the Galatic center. Venus and Jupiter May Meddle With Earth’s Orbit and Climate In 405,000-year cycles, the tug of nearby planets causes hotter summers, colder winters and … Doing so inserts a duplicate of your just-submitted comment. 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And the constancy is important. The Sun's energy heats the Earth's surface and the planet radiates energy at different wavelengths back into space. The 2009 NASA article to which you refer merely discusses improved understanding on what modulates that energy transfer. Climate on Earth is defined by a baseline of 30 years. 'Light Of The Stars' Looks To Other Planets To Illuminate Climate Change On Earth Adam Frank's valuable new book looks at the history of our search for other planets … That Mars warmed up during this same time frame so that we can now oberve the effects of liquid water on its surface? All the outer planets have vastly longer orbital periods than Earth, so any climate change on them may be seasonal. Response to anyone ignoring those newly discovered sources pumping energy into the atmosphere: Of course no studies have been made - it's newly discovered and despite claims of knowing of its existence for years - falsified every text book they had on the subject. The oven is still warmer than the brisket, so of course the brisket continues to warm toward that temperature of 325. The news is that that Profs Abazajian & Kapling have “patiently sifted through reams of data accumulated from 2008 to 2012 by NASA’s orbiting Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope” and now (in 2012) propose that the gamma-rays streaming from the stellar conflagration can be used to infer the presence of dark matter. This energy, therefore, cannot account for the sudden, rapid rise in global temperatures over the 20th century. So what? I approach all of this in fairly broad strokes. Don't expect people to spoon feed you the info. And yet here we are, with another type of "skeptic," who asserts that other planets phenomena, whose frequency is completely unknown to us, must be due to a warming climate. - (source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-e-joseph/passing-into-the-energy-c_b_405086.html ). On Earth, things differ because increased temperatures increase absolute humidity, and hence the energy supply for storms - but that mechanism is not available on Venus. Watch your tone and no accusations of fraud. That being said, the Earth's environment, it's "goldielocks" position in the universe being just right, I don't think it takes much to knock things way out of balance - say, a .02% change in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Global temperatures have increased more than half a degree in the last century as a result. Without this natural phenomenon, average temperatures on Earth would be 30 degrees lower than the current temperature. Therefore its existence does not constitute a change. But pretending 15 hours or less of internet searches (or even a year of internet searches) is some kind of substitute for those hard yards is arrogant nonsense. CERN has experimented on the subject and they do have info available online. And even these Science people here act almost as Ignorant asking a in the form of statements, about life besides thiss Petri Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. Not recognizing that, and pulling quotes out of context, assuming predictions are valid when they are falsified and generally questioning everything except your own conclusions as Jacksan has done is a recipe for pseudoscience, conspiracy theories and nonsense. Strawman arugments also have no place. Astronomers have compared Titan with the early Earth. Then there is the minor difficulty: umpteen thousand professional and amateur astronomers (as well as a few billion non-astronomer humans) have not detected any significant displacement of Earth relative to the stars visible at nighttime, during the past century or so. That is because heat introduces turbulence that decreases the velocity of the wind. I tried your link, it didn't load for me; I couldnt' evaluate whether they cited any scientific work and how faithful to the original content it was. Crops will be rotated and adjusted as mother nature has always done, and not all crops will be lost (unless pollinators continue to decline), we will make adjustments to planting seasons as man has for thousands of years. Why would that be? sjw40364 @41, the last NASA article to which you link states: "Even more impressive was the substorm's power. Offline PDF Version  |  No, Earth isn’t the only planet with weather. Eventually you could, I guess, but the barrage of stones required would be quite interesting. If the Sun's input stops increasing--flattens out--then the Earth's energy indeed will continue to increase, but only until it reaches equilibrium. Rather they say: "This difference could be a result of turbulence in the interstellar medium which could cause the local magnetic field direction to differ dramatically from that of the large-scale field. You must back your position by references/data. But not Dr. Alexei Dmitriev, the esteemed Russian space physicist"; "Dmitriev’s conclusions, based on his team’s analysis of Voyager data, that the atmospheres of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are inexplicably excited — immense storms, mammoth eruptions, plasma arcs jetting from the planets’ surface to their moons. and your link is actually mashing four different phenomenon and three separate issues rolled into the one account. It was a one-off, with no intent to engage anyone. I heartilly recommend to as many people as possible that they do do the hard yards to become genuine scientists. In response to comment no.29, user MagickWizard, who totally nailed it, I will complement your question and give some NASA evidence, in order to get the skeptics think more profoundly about this subject and conect some dots. "NASA's fleet of THEMIS spacecraft, launched less than 8 months ago, has made three important discoveries about spectacular eruptions of Northern Lights called "substorms" and the source of their power. But that extra energy is distributed among all the components of "the Earth," which takes time. Some, like Uranus, may be cooling. Climate Change May Affect The Habitability of Other Planets It’s not just Earth that has to worry. They are useful to see our errors and to help us make adjustments. I would also like to see an equally serious reference as to why any weather event on a planet whose climate has not been oberved through a full orbit can be ascribed to a "warming climate.". Remember the phrase “There's always one” and with scientists that is certainly the case.) [PS] This is getting repetitive and you have failed to answer points made about your previous post. Please take the time to review the Comments Policy and ensure future comments are in full compliance with it. Indeed, the only uses of that quote on-line actually discusses, not 11-year solar cycles but instead the rotation of our bit of the Milky Way around the centre of the galaxy. The second issue is down to a lunatic called Dr. Alexey N. 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