I like small groups when I hand load, but but like to shoo... Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License. If you didn’t care about the size (and can get past the aesthetics), the JP Recoil Eliminator is a great choice. I can understand the confusion on the pricing chart. I have found myself using muzzle brakes in matches ever since I did all the brake tests. I didn’t see a lot of precision rifle guys running those, so I didn’t include it in the test. You can also shoot me a PM if you like. I just tried to publish all the data and let people draw their own conclusions. After I was confident in the consistency of the data, I went back through and fired at least 3 shots from every rifle and muzzle brake combination, plus the rifle with a bare muzzle. Even if you can’t get it to be the same diameter as the barrel, I think it’d still look appropriate on it … and it would certainly help tame the recoil of 270. The Gen II Little Bastard muzzle brake was designed with one goal in mind, to bring some of the most effective recoil reduction to bolt action rifles. From: David Morgenstern I've got a bastard headache. The development of APA Gen 3 Little Bastard was … Price: $160 – Designed to be used with barrel diameters .800 to 1″ – Stocking Stainless steel and Black Nitride: All barrel finishes such as bead blasting and cerakote are available for the Stainless Steel brakes – Muzzle thread size 5/8″ – 24 … The series was inspired by Hagiwara's love of Heavy Metal music and fantasy tropes (Dungeons & Dragons is considered an influence, but Hagiwara supposedly never mentions it in any interviews). We used the Kestrel 4500 with the Applied Ballistics software. Thanks, Russell. Thank you for your feedback! Hey, PJ. Pingback: 716 DMR came in today! Ive ran the little bastard and fat bastard on past rifles and really liked them a lot! He served Dr. Douglas Evil during the execution of the Alan Parsons Project, and became a nemesis of Austin Powers. And I have tried a Magneto Speed, and have been very impressed. Pingback: Which muzzle brake for my build? Recently, I fired over an Oehler 35p, Magneto Speed, and LabRadar all at the same time. Keep in mind this is a field test, not a laboratory test … and I’m not claiming it’s flawless. It shows we apparently share a high level of resourcefulness. I’ve tried to find an objective approach to quantify as many features and performance metrics as I could. I’ll paste their response. Yes, sir. It will be hard to do that, since suppressors are so heavily-regulated, but I know it would help a lot of shooters in your position. This helps you put all those things into perspective. Just looking for the best 1/2×28 break to keep you on target and to see impact. I am embarrassed. 1. That’s an interesting idea for sure. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Love the scientific measurements you do. I’ll be publishing the results soon, but I can say that I was impressed with the Magneto Speed. # 1 Thing #1 Hot Shop for Low Price Apa Little Bastard 300 Win Mag And Bergara 300 Win Mag Hmr Review . Cal. In what order would you suggest reading the Litz books? Impact Precision is that same way too, if you were looking for a little more compact package. I also thought about getting 3 shooters to shoot a few 10 shot groups with each brake, and average all the results … but I think you’d be “in the noise.” I doubt it would offer enough value to justify the cost of the match-grade ammo it would take to conduct the test. Really, all of these are designed to be ideal for the 308. So those first baffles could be integral to the suppressor, or to the muzzle brake within the suppressor. This post summarizes the eye-opening results for the massive muzzle brake field test I’ve worked on the past few months.
Does the length of a muzzle brake matter as far as recoil reduction goes? Theoretically, your idea about different harmonics (I don’t know if improved is the correct word), could have some impact. Subject: dB levels. Your Price: $195.00 In Stock APA GEN 3 LITTLE BASTARD SELF TIMING BRAKE .308. It provides fresh insight into the competition, shows what works well, what doesn’t seem to be working, and what precision shooters are looking for. FAT Basterd Gang Band, Lyon. Just add an air compressor, blow gun, high-speed camera, and voila … new insight! MSRP is set at $160 for the LB's and Micro's. The Applied Ballistics Kestrel is an amazing little device. I personally have a lot of confidence in ThunderBeast (TBAC) suppressors, so that’s what I’ve personally bought … but I can’t say their better than the AWC’s. I measured overall impulse/momentum and peak force/acceleration of each shot. Blessings! Not many people out there willing to go half the distance you did here unfortunately so its very appreciated. It’ll be fun to see what comes out! I may do another test in the future focused on AR-15’s or large magnums (i.e. That’s why it’s unlikely I’ll ever use a TOMB design as a stand-alone muzzle brake. Bad ass! You are using an out of date browser. All pricing is for informational purposes only. He thought a few percentage points difference in recoil reduction may not make a huge difference (or help you get more hits), but a brake that can keep you on target can be a big advantage. I just don’t know. It doesn’t redirect as much of the muzzle blast rearward, which can be less annoying (and safer) for those around you. I’ve read a lot of great books, but if I had to narrow it down to one, I definitely know which it’d be: Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting by Bryan Litz. I'm confused, how does it not need to be timed in the event those ports are pointing straight down and blowing crap back at you? Glad you found it helpful. The fit and finish is excellent, and the brake performs better than my Gen 2 Little Bastard. Please don’t forget to spend hundreds of hours publishing the results so others can benefit from it. It’s good to see someone else out there making experimental measurements and publishing the results for everyone else to benefit from. Why no flash test — am I missing something? I continually tweaked my approach until the data was very repeatable shot-to-shot. In just don’t wanna waste my money again on something that doesn’t work great. I’m sure that timely info would be helpful for guys considering it. So I came up with the most objective test I could devise to quantify how well each brake helps you stay on target. It would probably work. I think the Fat Bastard does a better job reducing recoil in my 7SAUM than my 338 TBAC can. How much? Right now they are all 4140 steel and will come parkerized. In those cases, I’ll just screw off the TOMB brake that I use with the suppressor and screw on a JEC or APA Little B* muzzle brake. American Precision Arms is very excited to share the release of the Generation 3 Fat Bastard. The Armory . I hadn’t seen it, so thank you for sharing. I hope that it provides a lot of insight into one aspect of precision shooting that has been largely neglected in terms of objective comparisons. I have to jam ear plugs all the way in as well as wear pro ear 300 muffs and honestly my ears still take a beating running this break. The tests done were for a 308, not the 338 LM, so I won’t make any comparisons to those results. The bullet can’t talk, so it cannot tell a lie. I finally got my brake. It just didn’t seem like enough people would be interested in it to justify the time it’d take. The attention to detail is outstanding. Think about the goal of the suppressor company making the muzzle brake. At least that is my theory! So you will be directing the concussion and blast away from you (and any carbon or whatever else is going to fly out of the brake) … but they’re all loud. Quick View. The Shrewd certainly doesn’t perform in the same league as these other models. 10K likes. APA took the most effective muzzle brake on the market and made it better! But I did actually fire all of these muzzle brakes … a lot. For each test, I came up with a rating to quantify the performance of each brake. Quick View. Do you think there is any correlation between ground signature and muzzle flash? Thanks for sharing, Greg. Most of the brakes in this test don’t have significant ground signature, but at least one of them does … which is apparent in the high-speed photos. APA Gen 3 Fat Bastard 5/8x24 .30 Cal Stainless steel Muzzle Brake. Beyond that, I simply tried to represent the wide variety of the designs that are available, and others that are widely popular on custom bolt-action rigs. I like Shrewd brakes because they look like part of the barrel instead of looking like the brake on a Russian main line battle tank. It was 100% ideal for that setup, and it’s good to hear you found the same results. The resulting photos can help us understand how the muzzle brake redirects gas. The dark bar shows the starting price, the light green bar shows the highest price. Does the impact precision and blast tamer pretty much the same thing? I need an editor. Staying as close to possible to original point of aim was my primary concern for followup shots on groundhogs. I didn’t know who was going to end up on top until the very end, so I wasn’t able to give Jason a heads up so he could prepare for the demand. Apr 30, 2014 #1 I just wanted to give you guys a peek at our new … A Data-Driven Approach To Precision Rifles, Optics & Gear. I maybe should at least of mentioned that I am using one on my AR15 5.56 and the results speak for themselves. I don’t mine the JP eliminator, just really big. Bastard!! If recoil reduction is the most important, then the Alamo Four Star or APA Fat B* might be the best choice. Its the loudest dang thing i have ever been around. The quality, fit and finish is excellent! Here’s my analogy: If you got hit by a vehicle at 70 mph, it is going to hurt … regardless of whether it was a compact Kia or a big truck. If you call Jodie in the office she can get you on the waiting list for any of them. Just don’t tell my wife I said that! I have been looking at suppressors and read an article on the Precission Rifle Blog on testing dB reduction and I was curious if you had any specs on the Thor PSR XL for 338 LM. Thanks, buddy! I wish I could have included all of them, but it just came down to a time thing. She hadn't had time to respond to everyone that emailed her but she is working on it now. I think it’s very unlikely a suppressor manufacturer will ever have a TOMB design that will outperform either of those. While I don’t believe in a one-size-fits-all “best” muzzle brake, I know many readers prefer some type of overall rating. Pingback: Fde ssg 3000 - Page 2 - SIG Talk, Pingback: Weekend Knowledge Dump- September 11, 2015 | Active Response Training, Pingback: Bipod with sling prone - Page 5 - Long Range Hunting Online Magazine, Pingback: Test plinskih zavor – Tacticool, Pingback: muzzlebrake and reloads - Long Range Hunting Online Magazine, Pingback: First hand muzzle brake recommendations - Page 2 - Long Range Hunting Online Magazine, Pingback: Quietest Muzzle Brake? I’m not sure what kind of impact they’d have. Great article and I follow your posts with great interest! Can it handle 9/16x18 threads? Both the Blast Tamer and Impact Precision have straight 90 degree baffles, so the blast patterns will be similar. As you stated one would expect a correlation between recoil reduction and loudness. I was impressed with the West Texas Ordnance muzzle brake, especially based on it’s size. With that on the chart, it just seemed to add more noise than being helpful. Thanks, Adith. Lol. Just an FYI as some might be looking to purchase one due to the results of this study, and there is no indication of this delay on their web site. It may be smaller but the design is so effective that it has no issues taming cartridges up to the 338 Ultra Mag etc. I just spoke to Jodie. Thanks for sharing your experience, Bill. Are you familiar with clamp on muzzle brakes, and would you recommend a particular manufacture, if one is not wanting to thread their barrel. The more surface area on the ports and the more rearward angled they are, the more they reduce recoil. Also, I took your advice and took the Accuracy 1st course twice. $215.00. Thanks, Adam! I did put my best effort into this being as objective, precise, and unbiased as practically possible using the equipment I could afford. 1; 2; 3; Next. I just wanted to give you guys a peek at our new Gen II Little Bastard. The dark bar shows the starting price, the light green bar shows the highest price. I didn’t back up my data because respectfully I didn’t want to link to a competing blog’s extensive muzzle brake testing on your blog. I did mean rating. I explained why in a recent post on that series of suppressors. Is that right? i.e – can the brake be installed by the shooter without special tools or does a gunsmith need to perform the installation? You wouldn’t be threading the suppressor for a specific rifle, you’d only be threading the brake a specific rifle … so the suppressor could be used on anything. I find Bryan and Todd balance each other very well, so I try to balance my training by listening to both of them. I recorded a couple shots for each muzzle brake. I don’t. That was no small feat. It’s just another tool in your toolbox when researching muzzle devices. Sale. I do like the look when they appear to be integral to the barrel, but not at the cost of performance. Bastard is a blackletter typeface designed by Jonathan Barnbrook in 1990. I read TTAG, and they produce a lot of great content. Hey, Machi. Have you tried the Magneto Speed chronometer? I can pass the info on to her. 5. JEC is back ordered. Well done. FAT BASTARD … To view the FAT bastard Website for Europe and Asia clickhere.. To view the FAT bastard Website for … Field Tests & Studies, Reviews & Field Tests, Suppressors & Muzzle Brakes
6. I still get emails all the time from guys like that (and no, I still don’t plan to test any more muzzle brakes within the next 18 months). Precision Armament might be amazing, but none of the top shooters are using them in the PRS and you have no data to help you make an informed decision. Quick View. However if the performance isn’t there I wouldn’t want to waste my money. I appreciate the hard work you put into this. it would be interesting to see this device in your testing method someday. Thanks for the encouragement. So straight baffles can be safer and may also reduce the shock wave you have to endure behind the gun (and certainly those around you have to endure), but I just wanted to make sure you weren’t thinking there would be a lot of difference in sound. (Although I heard Greg wanted to have the Terminators tested…) Great work as always, keep it up!! American Precision Arms Gen 3 Fat Bastard Muzzle Brakes can be broken down into three key features. I used one this weekend to get on at 2228 yards with a 338 Lapua. Not knocking them, just to set expectations in case somebody might think they’ll buy one for the next match. Cal
just ordered the fat bastard in 338, it will ship in 24 hours and the order was processed in 2 hours!i cannot say enough about the speed and quality of my experiance with american precision arms!!!!! Not feelin a lot of love from fellow shooters when It comes out. So I’d be surprised if the conclusions would be any different, regardless of how you tested it. But because of the reduced size, I’d expect it to come up short of the performance of the Little B or Fat B designs. Hope this helps, buddy! My formulas are built around where the bullet hits. It is $24, and has great reviews. That thing is extremely effective, and on the rifle I tested these on … it had the perfect balance of sending gas upward to offset muzzle rise, but not load the barrel with a down force either. Seems pretty revolutionary as far as muzzle brakes go. Glad you’ve found it helpful. Staying on target not only allows quick follow-up shots, but more importantly for precision shooting, it allows you to watch your bullet impact. The concussion to the shooter shouldn’t be too bad since it vents to left and right. If I can contribute 1% of what he did, I’ll consider it a wild success!!! I bought one from Brownells for $27 not that long ago, and it works great. No problem. To enjoy FAT bastard, you need to be able to LIVE LIKE ONE.. Commercial Supporter. Rick, great question. I bought the Rat Worx Big Chubby. APA Gen 3 Little Bastard brake. You might just call them and see. Don’t suppose you would know if much of the others can readily screw on to or can easily be machined to fit that 1/2-28 thread pitch would you? Did you mean overall rating? !… Thank you for all the hard work that went into this test. The character is portrayed by Mike Myers. Has any body used the micro FTE on a 10/22 benchrest Will they be available in black like pictured above, or only in stainless steel like the older version shown on your website? Great review, thank you. On a sporting rifle they look like hell. The length does come into play, especially if the longer brake has more baffles or more surface area (like the Center Shot Rifle’s Blast Tamer models … the 30 caliber model I tested was longer and had 4 baffles, where the 6 and 6.5mm versions were shorter and just had 3 baffles). Do you have any experience with the brake from Precision Armament? Now waiting on decent weather to go shoot. Compare. It was just as skinny as the Shrewd or OPS brake, but it was actually effective at reducing recoil.
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